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Some of his tweets today seem to indicate there’s more to the story and its no big deal.
Seems like he’s done, but who knows, maybe there’s more we don’t know about.
Hopefully there’s more to it, but he’s also supposedly living with Johnny in LA. What a bizarre and depressing sitcom that must be.
Hopefully there’s more to it, but he’s also supposedly living with Johnny in LA. What a bizarre and depressing sitcom that must be.
Actually I bet that would be a very entertaining sitcom. Can you imagine cutting that up with a Friends-style laugh track? I bet Shooter could turn that into comedy gold!
Gordon has apparently made enough money in this career. He’s made more than most of us will in our entire lives after all. If the guy has other priorities in life, then that’s fine. If he was careful with his money it’s enough to last him. I just don’t want to see him trying to make a ‘comeback’ in 3 years.
Can you imagine cutting that up with a Friends-style laugh track? I bet Shooter could turn that into comedy gold!
I don’t know about Friends, probably more like Trainspotting.
Maybe a strange version of Three’s Company with Delonte West as their third roommate and Mike Pettine as their landlord.
Looks like there is more to the story. Reportedly, the test Gordon failed was him turning in a diluted sample. Which, the NFL rules as a positive. Now, I don’t know much about diluting the sample. Can that come from drinking a bunch of water right before the test, or is does it only come from adding water to the sample? I could see how a high (pun intended) level athlete could drink a bunch of water after training, and get called in to test a fail on a diluted sample, maybe.
Though, reportedly there were trace amounts of mary jane metabolites in the sample, so that makes it pretty suspect, IMO.
Either way, for reasons unknown, the NFL is reportedly going to reinstate Gordon if he can go 2-3 months without and “red-flag” samples.
“Sooooooo, you’re telling me there’s a chance!”
A diluted sample is a positive result because the only way to get a diluted sample is to try to dilute your urine. We’re not talking about someone who happened to drink a gatorade on their way to the clinic, more like someone who has drank over a gallon of water in the last half hour. OR someone who snuck plain water into their sample.
Regardless, he tested ‘dilute-positive’. That means the sample was diluted AND still had a positive drug result. Double-whammy.
The interesting thing is the NFL is saying they need to have 60-90 days without a flagged result from Gordon before they’ll reinstate him. That means that in all the time he’s been suspended he hasn’t met that low bar.
I don’t know what to think of all this. Yeah, there needs to be some accountability on Gordons part in this mess, but I’m still of the opinion that this guy is getting microscoped to an unreal and frankly, impossible standard.
The test that got him banned for 10 games in ’14 was bullshit. It was total bullshit from the jump and he was absolutely railroaded in that situation by the hypocritical and pious NFL.
The test that got him banned for ’15 was even more bullshit than the one that got him 10 games the year before. It’s the offseason, and he puts a picture on instagram of him and some other players AND COACHES on a plane to Vegas having a drink. The NFL was literally there on the tarmac with a cup waiting for him when the plane landed. Seriously, getthefuckouttahere.
Further, these punishments that he’s received/facing………for fucks sakes these things are so not commensurate with other punishments to other players for worse infractions. DUI? 4 games, reduced to 2. Busted for weed? 4 games, reduced to 2. Repeat offender? 4 games, reduced to 3.
In two years this guy had a drink on a plane and had a sample come back as negative, yet under the archaic and completely nonsensical rules of the NFL testing policy, he’s served 26 games and counting. All of this, coming on the heels of him coming INTO the league in the substance abuse program for infractions/failed tests in college, something that is SPECIFICALLY written into the CBA as against the rules.
Half of the players in this league right now had a drink in one hand and a joint in the other as they read this story and thought to themselves “damn that’s fucked up”. And that’s the damn truth. We know it, the players know it, and the NFL damn well knows it.
I’m not saying Gordon is a saint in this situation, and I’m not saying some personal responsibility doesn’t need to be taken because he isn’t and there should be, but honestly this whole thing is and has been a complete joke. He isn’t walking on eggshells with the league, he’s walking on eggshells on top of a house of cards on a lake with sliced-garlic thin ice.
It’s a complete farce.
That means the sample was diluted AND still had a positive drug result.
Incorrect. The level of marijuana was under the limit for a positive test.
It’s the “diluted” part that makes it an “automatic” fail.
Which is highly, HIGHLY suspicious.
more like someone who has drank over a gallon of water in the last half hour
I don’t care if he drank 8 gallons of water before the test. There’s absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with doing that, and it isn’t against any rules. At all. Of any kind in any way.
OR someone who snuck plain water into their sample.
Impossible. The NFL testers are literally right next to you, and are required, REQUIRED, to watch the sample go from dick to cup.
What happened is, he passed his fucking test, but the NFL didn’t like that, sees him hanging out with Johnny, and says “oh, well, we’re gonna go ahead and call this a fail anyway”.
It’s bullshit.
The real BS in the whole thing is the info getting released. It’s supposed to be confidential. BUT, Goodell was facing flak for not ruling on Gordon in such a long time.
So, Goodell calls “Intern B” into his office and gives him some info to “leak” about Gordon failing the test and holding up the reinstatement process.
It’s complete BS. These supposedly confidential test results are leaked all the time. I hope the NFLPA goes after Goodell for it.
You can say that the rules aren’t fair, and I’d agree with you. Why test for marijuana, a substance which does not in any way positively affect performance?
You could say that the penalties for breaking those rules aren’t fair, and I’d agree with you. A year for marijuana, 2 games for stepping on a face. Ridiculous.
You could even say that he’s being made an example of, and I’d agree.
What you can’t say is that Gordon is innocent. He just happens to ride in cars with people that smoke marijuana, or accidentally eats a pot brownie, or coincidentally gets so amazingly thirsty before each and every random drug test that he pounds a few gallons of water before going in. Really? He smokes pot. He’s trying to cover it up. He’s failing. It’s that simple.
Is that worth destroying his career? Apparently to him it is, because he knows the consequences and he chooses to do it anyway. My advice to him is to retire and enjoy life. He’s made a ton of money. He shouldn’t let the NFL push him around anymore.
The real BS in the whole thing is the info getting released. It’s supposed to be confidential. BUT, Goodell was facing flak for not ruling on Gordon in such a long time.
So, Goodell calls “Intern B” into his office and gives him some info to “leak” about Gordon failing the test and holding up the reinstatement process.
It’s complete BS. These supposedly confidential test results are leaked all the time. I hope the NFLPA goes after Goodell for it.I agree 100%. Whoever leaked this should be fired. Any company would do that, because they’ve just opened themselves up to a major lawsuit. Gordon could live off the winnings of that lawsuit.
No matter what, Gordon is a class A moron. This whole situation is 100% his fault
I agree with the first part, disagree with the 2nd. Again, I’m not saying that Gordon isn’t without responsibility here, I’m not saying that at all because yes, there should be some accountability, but the entire saga needs to be looked at as a whole to actually see how preposterous the entire thing actually is, and how Gordon was set up for absolute failure from the start.
1st and formemost, due to his failed college tests, Gordon entered into the league already in stage 2 of the NFL’s substance abuse program. That in itself is complete bullshit, because it’s written into the CBA the college tests CANNOT be held against a player once he enters the NFL. The NFL disregarded that, and upon being taken in the supplemental draft, MADE, FORCED, Gordon to come in under Stage 2. For reasons that still to this day, no one knows. Nor how the NFL was allowed to get away with doing that to him in the 1st place because again, it’s against the rules of the CBA.
His 1st suspension came because of codeine. This is where personal responsibility on Gordons part comes in. You can either think that he was out and about goin’ all Jamarcus Russel and pounding the Szzurp and Purple Drank, or, you can choose to accept the fact that he took cough medicine, which just about every one contains codeine. Me personally, I think that Gordon is an idiot, took couch medicine, and never even bothered to realize that it had codeine in it and was going to get popped for it. He’s stupid.
Boom. 4 games, reduced to 2. Onto stage 3. Now, over that time, from the failed codeine test until the end of the 2013 season when he broke out, Gordon was tested, and passed something crazy like 87 drug tests. (I believe it was 87 times, but I’d have to revisit it, I remember railing about this 2 years ago).
Then the bullshit with his failed pot test came out. And this is where I had my “are you fucking kidding me?” explosion. The NFL tests 2 samples. A sample A, and a sample B. His sample A test came up 2 nanograms above the threshold for a failed test. They then tested the B sample. His B sample came up well below, which would trigger a passing grade. However, because it had a trace of any kind, following the fail of the A sample, under the NFL’s completely nonsensical testing system, it was considered an automatic fail. So basically, if the NFL had tested his “B” sample first, instead of the other one, Gordon would have passed, and they never would have even tested the 2nd sample. (They only test the B sample if the A sample comes up as a failure). There was never any word from the NFL on why there was such a discrepancy between the two samples.
This also fails to take into account the amount of marijuana in his system to begin with. The level he was at, if Gordon had taken 1 hit of 1 joint, his levels would have been over 10 times what they were, let alone if the guy had actually smoked a whole joint, or had been doing it consistently. The level was almost non-existent. This came on the heels of him passing 87 consecutive tests. The irony here, is that the test actually proved that Gordon wasn’t smoking weed instead of the other way around, because there’s no way his levels could be that low if he was. Clearly, at some point, he was around someone who did, but at most that’s it. You really need to understand the science behind it to grasp that he had virtually no marijuana in his system, and that the tests roved he wasn’t smoking it.
Slam the Book. 1 year ban.
Gordon and his team then negotiate the ban down to 10 games. Still and absolutely unheard of penalty for a failed test of that manner. And still no explanation from the league as to why there was such a discrepancy in the two samples.
Gordon plays 6 games and is under surveillance from NASA, the CIA, the NSA, and homeland security with at least 3 national satellites dedicated to his every movement. He continues to take and pass drug tests during and after the season.
As part of his punishment, Gordon has to abstain from alcohol. This is again where Gordon’s level of accountability again needs to be brought in question, because he assumed that it meant ‘during the season”. He never clarified that though. So he jumps on a plane with teammates and coaches, has a few cocktails during the flight, and no bullshit, the NFL was waiting for him on the tarmac.
Slam the Book THUNDEROUSLY. 1 year ban.
He was still being tested, and passing, during the entire time. Now, he has trace amounts of weed show up again, however they are below the levels that would trigger a positive. Both samples.
Too bad so sad the NFL says they were “diluted”, automatic fail.
As I said before, getthefuckouttahere.
Meanwhile, Leveon Bell is down there in Pittsburgh cheifing away, gets popped for DWI while stoned to bejesus, weed is in the car, there are criminal charges…………..2 games.
Is Gordon an idiot? Yes, yes he is. Is alot of this his own doing? Yes, yes it is. The DUI did nothing to help himself.
Is this all his fault though? No, no it’s not. This shit is absolutely absurd. There are players out there right now, failing tests, getting arrested, and getting busted with weed, and smoking it the entire offseason, and not a thing is happening to any of them save for a game or two here and there.
It’s hypocrisy to an unprecedented level.
A couple corrections.
Codeine is NOT in over the counter cough medicines. Codeine requires a prescription. Pretty much throws the whole ‘I had a cough’ thing right out the window. Codeine is absolutely on the list of banned substances that any doctor that treats NFL players should know about.
Re: the A/B test, no where in there did I hear you say he was innocent, just that you disagree with the rules that are in place for testing. But still they are the rules, and they were the rules before Gordon took the test.
Then you said he passed all his tests 100% this past year… what are you basing that on? Because no positive tests were leaked during that period? They aren’t supposed to leak. 99% of them don’t. We do know that the NFL has been in no hurry to reinstate him because he’s ‘not following through’ with the program. That could mean he’s failing tests.
Yeah, the NSA has been busy making sure that every time Gordon breaks a rule the NFL finds out about it. It’s ridiculous. But if there’s a police car behind you you keep to the speed limit right?
If you haven’t seen it, profootballtalk is reporting that Gordon’s request has been denied, and he can REAPPLY on August 1st.
This proves shooters theory hat he’s being blackballed. They picked August 1st cuz it absolutely fucks Gordon over. Complete bullshit.
How much would you all like to bet that, if The Browns cut ties with Gordon tomorrow, he’ll be reinstated on August 1st and suited up for whomever’s home opener?
Codeine is NOT in over the counter cough medicines. Codeine requires a prescription. Pretty much throws the whole ‘I had a cough’ thing right out the window.
True. But you’re also suggesting then that a trip to the docs and a script is abnormal? Banned substances still count as a fail even with a prescription. Players are supposed to know what’s banned or not, it’s up to them, not the doctors.
no where in there did I hear you say he was innocent, just that you disagree with the rules that are in place for testing.
My biggest issue with the testing isn’t so much the “rules” per se, in this instance it’s 2 things. #1, that one sample came up as a pass, and the other sample came up as a fail, which automatically counts as a fail. That’s, that’s just idiotic. His A sample came up 2 ng over, his B sample came up well below. If the samples had been tested the other way around, he would have passed. And since we’re equating failing to guilty, and passing to innocent, well, then yes, he would have been innocent. The 2nd issue I take is that it was never explained, in any manner, how or why his 2 samples were so different. The entire point of having 2 samples taken is to check for false positives. In this case, it appears that that’s exactly what happened, except the NFL said “yeah we’re sticking with the first one, doper, find some pine”.
Here’s a quote from a story from back then. “For Gordon, the “A” bottle showed a concentration of 16 ng/ml, only one nanogram per milliliter above the limits of 15. The “B” bottle showed a concentration of 13.6 ng/ml — less than the threshold.
But because the “A” bottle was labeled “A” and not “B” and because the “B” bottle was labeled “B” and not “A”, the end result is a positive and a minimum one-year banishment from the NFL. Flip the bottles when it’s time to apply the labels, and Gordon isn’t facing a suspension.”
(I also stand corrected, I thought he was 2ng over, he was 1).
Then you said he passed all his tests 100% this past year… what are you basing that on?
I said previous to his 1st 1 year ban. Between the codeine and the end of the 2013 season, a distinction I should make. I have n clue about the past year as nothing has come out as of yet. And I’m basing it on the same leaks that show he failed a test, showed that he passed them. After digging some more, I found that indeed I was incorrect. It was not 87, it was 70. He passed 70 drug tests. Think about that. 70. In the time from his codeine positive, until the end of the 2013 season, Gordon passed 70 drug tests. That came from PFT and Schefter when his first 1 year ban came about.
70.
One final thought. That year, in the new league year in March, the NFL changed it’s policy to match that of the IOC, raising it’s minimal limit from 15ng to 35ng. Gordons suspension was announced later that month. But, and here’s a BIIIIIIIIG But, the NFL said that Gordon had failed his test in December. Of the previous league year. And since it was the previous year, the previous years rules still applied. So at a time when the leagues testing policy stated that 35ng would trigger a fail, Gordon had a test come back at 16ng, 19ng and over 2x BELOW the current level that qualifies for a positive test, but that didn’t matter. They backtracked, went against current policy, and ruled on it based on old policy.
This proves shooters theory hat he’s being blackballed. They picked August 1st cuz it absolutely fucks Gordon over. Complete bullshit.
Funny that they pick a date that is 2 weeks AFTER training camp has started, isn’t it?
How much would you all like to bet that, if The Browns cut ties with Gordon tomorrow, he’ll be reinstated on August 1st and suited up for whomever’s home opener?
I’d bet nothing, because that’s exactly how this is going to play out.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I do not think you can trade a suspended player.
You define guilt as failing the test and innocent as passing then he is indeed guilty because he failed the test. He passed part of it but he failed part of it and by NFL rules (and just about every other business) that’s a fail. I don’t care if he failed by a little or by a ton, he still failed.
You’re not telling me you honestly think he doesn’t smoke weed do you? You think all these things are just bad coincidences?
Your best argument (and Gordon’s best) is that he was grandfathered into the old standards unfairly. Unfortunately for Gordon the final arbiter is the NFL and it has surprisingly upheld its own opinion. Shocked.
You’re not telling me you honestly think he doesn’t smoke weed do you? You think all these things are just bad coincidences?
Let’s examine something here, stay with me.
During the 2013 season, Gordon passed 70 drug tests. This level of testing was being done due to his status in the substance abuse program. it’s known that players are tested year round by the NFL. That breaks down to 1.3 times per week. Just over 5 times a month.
Let’s make the assumption that that level of testing continued for Gordon after his 1 year ban was reduced to 10 games in 2014. (which “assumption” is not really a good word at all here because considering the past history and his standing, ‘expectation” is far better. That level of testing continued, make no mistake). That’s 2 more years of testing. Taking us through all of 2014, and 2015. Once a week, 5 times a month, for two years.
Combine that with his previous 70 passed tests, and over a three year period from 13-15, you have Gordon passing over 210 drug tests. His lone fail coming on a sample 1ng over the limit, and the other being under the limit, and both being well, weeeeel below the current league minimum level for a fail of 35ng.
I’m not telling you I think he doesn’t smoke weed, I’m telling you there’s no way he could smoke weed and pass all those tests.
Do I think he was around someone who smoked weed? Yes, yes I do. Do I think he considered that it would affect him? No. Do I think he thought as long as he didn’t smoke any all would be fine? Yes, yes I do, because I think he’s an idiot.
Let’s revisit this too here.
You think all these things are just bad coincidences?
“all these things”
What exactly do you mean by “all” these things? All what things?
In his entire time in the league, he’s had 1, count them, 1, incredibly suspect and immensely questionable test come back positive for weed. At 1 nanogram. 1 goddamn nanogram. 1 test, at 1 nanogram. And to boot at a time when the league had changed it’s policy rendering the levels both samples were at completely moot.
What exactly are “all these things”?
he made the choice to be around weed smokers. It was evident in his “return” for those 6 games he wasn’t the same player. He’s not a football guy. He clearly doesn’t care about football. He’s a bum
Freedom!!!
he made the choice to be around weed smokers.
Not gonna argue that. That’s what the evidence points to. Like i said, he’s an idiot.
Just realize though that it’s besides the point.
The fact that people are running around saying “Gordon can’t stop smoking weed” are just, wow, incredibly wrong. And, he’s getting totally hosed by the league.
They see him out with Johnny and don’t like it. Now all the sudden 1 of his weekly tests is “diluted“? Yet there was no further suspension, just a delay until August of reinstatement?
That doesn’t sound funny to you?
C’mon man, be real here. Aren’t you the big-time conspiracy theory Goodell-is-Satan guy? You can’t connect these dots here?
At this point (become a foster parent) it’s time to realize that the results of what happens to adults are due to their actions and no one elses.
If I was on suspension for drugs and truly wanted back in – I would have the sense not to hang with people like Manziel.
Gordon chose to hang with Johnny. War the NFL does, conspiracy or not, is a direct result of Gordon’s decision to hang with a moron
Freedom!!!
Quite a few of you guys are dreaming if you think this is a conspiracy. The guy has barely played in 2 years. He has had this problem his entire adulthood. He obviously has some deep issues and even lets just say he cleans himself up before say August 1st, he will just get suspended again because before it is all said and done, he will fail another drug test.
You would think that if your work told you that you cannot come back to work before you passed a drug test, that you would get clean or go get some help. What has he done? He still for some reason, believes he can pass a drug test by diluting his urine. This is just moronic. People who think they can pass urine test by altering your urine are complete morons. The only way you can pass a urine drug test is with fake urine. Even someone elses urine would not work very well. I don’t know why the NFL just doesn’t hair test these guys. It is 100% accurate and it is unbeatable. Diluting your urine also is a very dangerous thing and people actually do die from this. Look it up on google – people have been trying this approach for a hundred years.
If Josh Gordon ever wants to play football again, he needs to complete rehabilitation. He is a substance abuser and has some real deep issues.
Soup>>>>>At this point (become a foster parent) it’s time to realize that the results of what happens to adults are due to their actions and no one elses.
You are a parent and you should understand that this is bullshit and not true. You are a product of your environment. If your environment teaches you something when you are young, you will carry on with what you were taught. You will actually see then when your kid grows up and makes good choices when they are indeed adults. Josh Gordon wasn’t as lucky. Product of the system is a reality. Kids on the street believe that stealing to survive is acceptable because people have insurance and people with money will just buy whatever was stolen again.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
The fact that people are running around saying “Gordon can’t stop smoking weed” are just, wow, incredibly wrong. And, he’s getting totally hosed by the league.
He is an addict. Anyone who cannot stop something when something so important relies on him, they have addiction problems and most likely real deep issues. Whether he was abused as a kid or whether he just has the psychological addiction to the feeling, he is an addict.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
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