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As far as the article you posted, it may be 100% correct but he didn’t post any of the quotes he’s referencing. I don’t recall Williams speaking badly about the coaches to the media but I do have a terrible memory. The article is full of conjecture and seems to have an anti-coach bias. I’m not saying the article is wrong, just saying that it doesn’t meet certain journalistic standards.
What is more important is what @Soup said at the bottom. It is objective and provable. On paper our O-line is one of the best in the league. On the field it is one of the worst. We lost our O-line coach to off-field issues early in the year and it feels like we didn’t replace him. We do play a ton of man coverage, relying on our corners to cover the receivers 1 on 1. The whole point of doing that is to free up more men to attack the quarterback. It’s a risk/reward move. So if we’re putting our CB’s on an island we should be seeing a lot of sacks, but clearly we’re not. We have 16 on the year, exactly half of the league leader. Again if we’re putting our CB’s on an island then we should be getting a lot more sacks.
I really like Pettine. I like his demeanor and his attitude. I hate his results and at some point he is responsible for those results. However I don’t exonerate Farmer at all. His drafts have been career-killing. His 1st round picks have been disastrous. If he’s not the whole problem, he’s at least a very big part of the problem.
Some of the responsibility has to also be on the players. Justin Gilbert signed a contract to perform for the Browns. He has not lived up to his side of the bargain.
I give Manziel credit so far this year. It actually does look like he has taken this serious. He fucked up pretty badly last year. He didn’t lose us that game sunday…..the rest of the shitty performers did. I still think he sucks, but at least he is still out there trying when many on this team have already quit.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
@thedude you can’t put it on Gilbert if he’s not being put in the best position to succeed. I believe (going straight from memory) that last year when Gilbert had the pick 6 he was in zone coverage. Something we don’t play at all now.
While I’m by no means exhonorating Farmer, if you look at the overall reviews of his picks (all but Manziel) you won’t find the WTF pick. They were consensus guys. That’s why you need to dig deeper into the coaching aspects. Our guys aren’t being put in position to succeed. There’s no reason ever in the history of a game that Bademosi should be 1 on 1 with Antonio Brown. No way ever.
The fact we never adjust when @ice showed our sack stats is absurd. We should adjust to zone schemes to help DBs since we can’t get pressure. Lack of adjustment is on the staff, not the players.
@Ice caught the main concept of my point when I brought up the o-line. Same guys, different coach, different scheme – terrible results.
I once read from an NFL star (read it years ago so he name escapes me) that 90% of players in the NFL would succeed if given the chance.
That chance includes coaching putting that player in the position of their strengths.
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@soup one point where we disagree is on ‘consensus’ guys. Who formed the consensus? Two douchebags at ESPN who have never played or coached at any level? Soup and I both said we wouldn’t touch Manziel in the 1st round. In fact if memory serves me right, I said I wouldn’t think about him until about the 5th round, and Soup said he was undraftable. That means the PFT consensus is that they WAY overdrafted Manziel (and yes we said that before the draft). In hindsight, the rest of the world is coming around to agreeing with us.
@thedude you can’t put it on Gilbert if he’s not being put in the best position to succeed. I believe (going straight from memory) that last year when Gilbert had the pick 6 he was in zone coverage. Something we don’t play at all now.
While I’m by no means exhonorating Farmer, if you look at the overall reviews of his picks (all but Manziel) you won’t find the WTF pick. They were consensus guys. That’s why you need to dig deeper into the coaching aspects. Our guys aren’t being put in position to succeed. There’s no reason ever in the history of a game that Bademosi should be 1 on 1 with Antonio Brown. No way ever.I can agree with you said. And no I don’t put it all on Gilbert. But remember, we are talking professional athletes. He obviously has weaknesses – my question is how much time does he put in to studying the book, watching video, and spending the extra time one on one.
I don’t expect picks to always work out, but it sure does seem like right now not many of them are. I can also agree on your thought process of GM picking talent and lack of coaching being the problem.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
To try and blame one or the other is pretty dumb IMO. Do you blame Farmer or the coaching staff for Gilbert being so bad? Do you give credit to Farmer or the coaching staff for developing some undrafted free agents? If your answer isn’t the same then you are blindly watching.
To give Farmer credit for the UFAs you have to give him the blame for the wasted or worthless draft picks. Same for Pettine.
It is both. Pretty easy to figure out.
And for your information, Soup; USC’s Leonard Williams was not only the top rated D-Lineman in the draft, but arguably the best player regardless of position. You’re welcome.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
And for your information, Soup; USC’s Leonard Williams was not only the top rated D-Lineman in the draft, but arguably the best player regardless of position. You’re welcome.
My apologies. Either way my point still remains as Shelton was a top half of the 1st round worthy player (so to speak).
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