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#1, I’ll make a bet with you that we take Garret at 1.
#2, I wouldn’t be devastated if we took Watson. More than anything, he separates himself from RG3 or Kap by miles in two very critical areas: 1 He’s a leader in every sense of the word and as the respect of his players. They rally around him, and he works his ass off. And 2, off the field this guy is everything you could ever possibly hope for in a face of the franchise. He graduated, is heavily involved in the community, and is a class act all the way around.
He’s the anti-Kap and RG3, because neither one of those jackasses have any of those attributes.
But we’re going to take Garret so, kind of a moot argument.
Yet according to a Plain Dealer article on Hamilton’s official leave to Michigan, Greg Roman is a candidate to replace him. You know, the guy that coached Kapernack.
Watson will be the guy, get used to it. It won’t be Garrett. QB starved teams reach for QBs.
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Possibly. All I’m saying is, if we do take him, we could do a lot worse.
Remember, I live down here. Clemson is 45 minutes from my house. I see hear and read about this kid daily.
You don’t take your team to back to back National Championships because you suck. Just sayin’. I’m not in the “oh my God we HAVE to get that guy” camp, but if we did take him, I’m not gonna be pouting at all. He can play. How well at the NFL level obviously remains to be seen.
Oh, and I’ll do a sig bet with you. 1 year bet.
They take Garrett 1st (even if they trade back and get him) I write whatever you want.
Same scenario for Watson. You write what I want.
If they don’t take either first nothing happens.
(If we lived in the same city it would be a lunch bet)
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If Shooter doesn’t want in on that action, I’ll take it. No way we take Watson at #1. I’m not saying they don’t like him, I’m not saying they won’t take him at #12 (or a subsequent pick). Some teams that need a QB do reach, we’re not that team. If we were the Carson Wentz era would already be upon us.
And for the record, I completely agree with you that Deshaun Watson is exactly the kind of QB that Hue Jackson is looking for. My write up on Mahomes II is an admission of that fact. And I also agree with Shooter, even if they do take Watson, I don’t know that it will spell the end of the regime. Many People thought the same thing when Tampa too Winston and when Tennessee took Mariota. You can’t argue against what Watson has done in college, you can only argue that it MIGHT not translate to the NFL. That’s a point I’m willing to concede.
For the record, I prefer Mahomes II over Watson. Not for what he is, but for what he could be. I think Watson could be a damn fine QB in the NFL though, in the right situation. I’ve stated before (and I’ll say it again) that I don’t know where the idea that this QB class is weak is coming from. My guess is that it stems from the scouts on good teams hoping prospects will fall to them. Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahomes II – a lack of separation doesn’t always mean a lack of talent, sometimes (and I believe it is the case this year) it means an abundance of it. The combine hasn’t even happened yet and there is still a lot of room for a QB prospect to rise.
Hue learned from Marvin Lewis though. In 2011, the Bengals passed on Jake Locker and Christian Ponder with Colin Kaepernick and Ryan Mallett still on the board before settling on Andy Dalton. If you believe all Hue cares about is athleticism, why Dalton over Kaepernick?
I think Hue and Co. realize that a QB can’t do it by himself. Not on this team, not with our roster. Will the draft and Free Agency period help that? God, I hope so. But I don’t think Hue and Company will pass on a generational type talent like Garrett for a project prospect like Watson at #1. If Watson falls into the second, I think Hue and Co jump all over him (even if my preferred pick Mahomes II is still available). Not at #1.
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0I’ve been meaning to do a big write up on this but just haven’t had the time. I’m convinced it’ll be a QB at #1. I don’t see how it could be anything else, for a number of reasons. The only question to me is whether it’ll be Watson or Trubisky
Hue learned from Marvin Lewis though. In 2011, the Bengals passed on Jake Locker and Christian Ponder with Colin Kaepernick and Ryan Mallett still on the board before settling on Andy Dalton. If you believe all Hue cares about is athleticism, why Dalton over Kaepernick?
It wasn’t Hue’s choice there like it is here. And i’d do the sig bet with both of you if you 2 don’t mind me having 2 different things at the bottom (or want to do a joint one to really give it to me) – however – you have to name who we are taking first (if it’s Garrett than it duplicates the Shooter bet)
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you have to name who we are taking first (if it’s Garrett than it duplicates the Shooter bet)
My money is on Garrett.
It wasn’t Hue’s choice there like it is here. And i’d do the sig bet with both of you if you 2 don’t mind me having 2 different things at the bottom (or want to do a joint one to really give it to me)
It’s not Hue’s choice here either, it’s Sashi’s. And for the record, Hue was the heir apparent in Cincy, and I believe his input was probably not only sought, but valued.
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0you have to name who we are taking first (if it’s Garrett than it duplicates the Shooter bet)
My money is on Garrett.
It wasn’t Hue’s choice there like it is here. And i’d do the sig bet with both of you if you 2 don’t mind me having 2 different things at the bottom (or want to do a joint one to really give it to me)
It’s not Hue’s choice here either, it’s Sashi’s. And for the record, Hue was the heir apparent in Cincy, and I believe his input was probably not only sought, but valued.While it’s Sashi choice, they’ve repeatedly said they are leaning in Hue for the QB decision
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you have to name who we are taking first (if it’s Garrett than it duplicates the Shooter bet) My money is on Garrett. It wasn’t Hue’s choice there like it is here. And i’d do the sig bet with both of you if you 2 don’t mind me having 2 different things at the bottom (or want to do a joint one to really give it to me) It’s not Hue’s choice here either, it’s Sashi’s. And for the record, Hue was the heir apparent in Cincy, and I believe his input was probably not only sought, but valued.
While it’s Sashi choice, they’ve repeatedly said they are leaning in Hue for the QB decision
What’s telling is after thy drafted Kessler, Hue told the press “You have to trust me on that.” While there’s no doubt Sashi and Co. have a big say in where and when they pick a QB, Hue definitely has his say in who gets picked.
It won’t be Garrett. QB starved teams reach for QBs.
We didn’t last year.
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It won’t be Garrett. QB starved teams reach for QBs.We didn’t last year.
To be fair, we did reach for a QB (Cody Kessler was in fact a reach), it just wasn’t in the first round.
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0soup wrote: It won’t be Garrett. QB starved teams reach for QBs.
We didn’t last year.
To be fair, we did reach for a QB (Cody Kessler was in fact a reach), it just wasn’t in the first round.I hate hate HATE this line of thinking. You only call a player a reach based one of 2 things:
1.) You think the player would’ve been available later. This is 100% subjective. The Browns liked him in the 3rd. We have no way of knowing if any other teams liked him at the next couple of spots. This is based off talking heads own evaluations, not actual evidence.
2.) the player doesn’t play up to his draft position. Kessler wasn’t supposed to play this year (typical for a 3rd round pick), and when he did play, he more than justified the pick. Is he a franchise QB? No, at least not from what he’s done so far. But he’s worth a 3rd, no doubt.
I hate hate HATE this line of thinking. You only call a player a reach based one of 2 things:
1.) You think the player would’ve been available later. This is 100% subjective. The Browns liked him in the 3rd. We have no way of knowing if any other teams liked him at the next couple of spots. This is based off talking heads own evaluations, not actual evidence.
2.) the player doesn’t play up to his draft position. Kessler wasn’t supposed to play this year (typical for a 3rd round pick), and when he did play, he more than justified the pick. Is he a franchise QB? No, at least not from what he’s done so far. But he’s worth a 3rd, no doubt.
While I empathize with your frustration, it is a fact that taking Tom Brady in the 5th in 2000 would have been a reach because you could have gotten him in the 6th. While I understand you don’t know when a player will be drafted by other teams, you also don’t know if a player will be a Pro Bowler or a bust. The whole thing is speculation.
The consensus was that Cody Kessler was a 5th or 6th round pick. We took Kessler two to three rounds early (if that was in fact the case). But forget about the consensus for a moment, because Dak Prescott, who was given a 3rd round grade, was still on the board. Prescott was taken AFTER Kessler, so yes, we reached on Kessler (by virtue of your own logic), because he was outperformed by a QB who was taken after him. Even if we forget about Prescott for a moment, compared to other recent 3rd round prospects like Mike Glennon, Russell Wilson, and Nick Foles, I don’t feel that Kessler’s production was all that impressive. He was “Cleveland good” for a third round pick, but not Cowboys or Seahawks good.
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Your flaw though DS is that you are assuming that 3rd round grade people like Kiper give him is the same as what teams have him.
Furthermore by your logic Kessler wasn’t a reach because he had a 3rd round grade. Sure, compare Kessler to Wilson and he wasn’t good. Now compare Kessler to Jamarcus Russell, Jake Locker and Jimmy Clausen. Geno Smith, etc. Kessler priced he wasn’t a reach and as was stated for all we know someone else had him rated 3rd round behind us.
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While I empathize with your frustration, it is a fact that taking Tom Brady in the 5th in 2000 would have been a reach because you could have gotten him in the 6th. While I understand you don’t know when a player will be drafted by other teams, you also don’t know if a player will be a Pro Bowler or a bust. The whole thing is speculation.
The consensus was that Cody Kessler was a 5th or 6th round pick. We took Kessler two to three rounds early (if that was in fact the case). But forget about the consensus for a moment, because Dak Prescott, who was given a 3rd round grade, was still on the board. Prescott was taken AFTER Kessler, so yes, we reached on Kessler (by virtue of your own logic), because he was outperformed by a QB who was taken after him. Even if we forget about Prescott for a moment, compared to other recent 3rd round prospects like Mike Glennon, Russell Wilson, and Nick Foles, I don’t feel that Kessler’s production was all that impressive. He was “Cleveland good” for a third round pick, but not Cowboys or Seahawks good.The Tom Brady thing you answered yourself. The whole thing is speculation. You can say Brady in the 5th would’ve been a reach because you KNOW he’d be there in the 5th. You can’t say he’s a reach in the 6th because he would’ve been there in the 7th, because you don’t know.
As for Dak, nowhere did I say a player has to be better than everybody behind him to justify his draft position. Look at Phillip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger. Ben was taken after Rivers and has outperformed him. But, there’s no doubt San Diego was justified in taking Rivers with their pick because of Rivers performance. He’s played at a 4th overall pick level.
Now, you want to compare him to other 3rd round picks, I’ll play that game. Without cherry picking, other 3rd round QBs are: Jacoby Brissett (NE), Garret Grayson (NO), Sean Mannion (LA), Mike Glennon (TB), Wilson, Foles, Ryan Mallet (NE), Colt McCoy (CLE), Kevin O’Connell (NE), and I don’t feel like going back any further.
Wilson obviously is the best one in the group, who you picked out. Foles (who was a reach by your logic because Kirk Cousins was available) and Glennon, who are they starting for? Oh yeah, they’re back ups along with the rest of the bunch. In fact, after Wilson, I think you’d have to put Kessler towards the top of the list.
The Tom Brady thing you answered yourself. The whole thing is speculation. You can say Brady in the 5th would’ve been a reach because you KNOW he’d be there in the 5th. You can’t say he’s a reach in the 6th because he would’ve been there in the 7th, because you don’t know.
But given what the world knew (or thought it knew at the time) Brady in the first would have been a reach. Brady in the second would have been a reach. Brady in the third would have been a reach. You can’t argue ultimate value because you never have any idea going in. That is why it is consensus that dictates what a reach is (i.e. perceived current value).
As for Dak, nowhere did I say a player has to be better than everybody behind him to justify his draft position. Look at Phillip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger. Ben was taken after Rivers and has outperformed him. But, there’s no doubt San Diego was justified in taking Rivers with their pick because of Rivers performance. He’s played at a 4th overall pick level.
I didn’t say you did, I was just pointing out that Kessler wasn’t even the BPA at the time he was drafted. He didn’t even have the highest draft grade. Rivers was rated higher than Roethlisberger (incorrectly). However, Dak had the higher grade, and has been the better talent (thus far).
Now, you want to compare him to other 3rd round picks, I’ll play that game. Without cherry picking, other 3rd round QBs are: Jacoby Brissett (NE), Garret Grayson (NO), Sean Mannion (LA), Mike Glennon (TB), Wilson, Foles, Ryan Mallet (NE), Colt McCoy (CLE), Kevin O’Connell (NE), and I don’t feel like going back any further.
Which is exactly what I did, you just went back further. If you looked up those names you know the chronology of the picks. I didn’t cherry pick, I just used a limited sample.
Wilson obviously is the best one in the group, who you picked out. Foles (who was a reach by your logic because Kirk Cousins was available) and Glennon, who are they starting for? Oh yeah, they’re back ups along with the rest of the bunch. In fact, after Wilson, I think you’d have to put Kessler towards the top of the list.
No argument over Wilson, however, Foles and Glennon both have far superior production at this point. That’s not Kessler’s fault, he’s only a year in. He’s nothing more than a back up though. The only reason he started was injury. Foles and Glennon both won starting jobs at one point in their careers.
I’m not the one who said “I hate, hate, HATE” someone’s line of thinking. I’m merely giving you some insight into why your point of view might not be the only one that is justified. It’s called playing Devil’s advocate. I do it a lot (notice how I’ll support Shooter and Ice on a subject, then hop in and bolster Soup’s point of view). Just food for thought. I actually like the Kessler pick in the 3rd. I think he’s a perfect back up (game manager, limits mistakes) and once he is a journeyman he might fill an Alex Smith type role as a starter for a Defensively minded team.
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Your flaw though DS is that you are assuming that 3rd round grade people like Kiper give him is the same as what teams have him.
On the contrary, that’s why I specifically referenced the consensus. You don’t draft against yourself. You draft against other teams. Sure, you need to identify talent, but you need to have an understanding of where others value a player as well. There’s an old saying that the rich get richer. When desperate teams draft for need, the best players fall to teams that are already strong. Thus, the best teams continue to be the best teams, and the desperate teams remain mired in mediocrity.
Furthermore by your logic Kessler wasn’t a reach because he had a 3rd round grade. Sure, compare Kessler to Wilson and he wasn’t good. Now compare Kessler to Jamarcus Russell, Jake Locker and Jimmy Clausen. Geno Smith, etc. Kessler priced he wasn’t a reach and as was stated for all we know someone else had him rated 3rd round behind us.
Follow the link I provided in my previous post, the after combine grade for Kessler was the 5th round. That is why so many analysts were surprised we took him at that spot. Anyone who watched the draft remembers the reactions. Has Kessler played about his projected rating? Absolutely. That was not the consensus at the time and I think (based on historical projections) we could have taken Dak in the third and Kessler early in the 5th and been much further ahead at the QB position. That said, there’s no guarantee that his production in Cleveland would have equaled what it did in Dallas, though his talent would have remained essentially unchanged.
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0I’m not letting your nonsensical, emotionally irrational, factless drivel erode the sanctity of my sigline for an entire year.
I’ll bet a month, and I’ll even let you pick which month, but not a year.
It’s doubtful, but I’m not arrogant enough to guarantee that I can’t possibly be wrong.
I don’t think I am. Quite the contrary. I almost convinced they’re taking Garret.
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Your flaw though DS is that you are assuming that 3rd round grade people like Kiper give him is the same as what teams have him.
On the contrary, that’s why I specifically referenced the consensus. You don’t draft against yourself. You draft against other teams. Sure, you need to identify talent, but you need to have an understanding of where others value a player as well. There’s an old saying that the rich get richer. When desperate teams draft for need, the best players fall to teams that are already strong. Thus, the best teams continue to be the best teams, and the desperate teams remain mired in mediocrity.Very true, you don’t draft in a vacuum. However you’ve been referencing the wrong consensus. The 5th round post-combine grade that you refer to is a consensus of people who are not participating in the draft. The consensus you need is a consensus of NFL GM’s who are running the draft rooms. Not even a consensus of scouts is worth much because while they might give someone a 3rd round grade, they don’t take into account that 10 teams that draft before them have a heavy need at that position. They’re just saying this guy’s worth a 3rd. GM’s have to consider info from the scouts as well as trying to figure out what every other team will do and adjust accordingly. It might take a 3rd round pick to get a guy with a 5th round grade, or you may be able to use a 7th round pick to get a guy that your scouts pegged as a 5th round grade.
Good point Ice. I had to think a little bit about DS’s last post, and I guess it just comes down to how you define reach.
If you define it as taking a player too soon based on their projected selection, then you get what DS is saying. I get that, it makes for a good way of evaluating picks because he have concrete numbers to work with. I just don’t care for it, because of what I’ve just said.
I prefer to define a reach as taking a player earlier than their talent merits. that makes it a little more subjective, but the draft projections are subjective to begin with. Usually there is a reason for the reach not related to football. For example, We reached for Manziel because of his fame and name, we reached for Weeden because the GM (don’t even remember who it was at the time, Banner? Idk.) and coach were trying to save their asses by having a rookie QB excuse. Goes on and on. Conversely, I don’t consider guys like Travis Frederick and Bruce Irvin reaches, even though they were drafted earlier than many said they needed to be.
Very true, you don’t draft in a vacuum. However you’ve been referencing the wrong consensus. The 5th round post-combine grade that you refer to is a consensus of people who are not participating in the draft. The consensus you need is a consensus of NFL GM’s who are running the draft rooms. Not even a consensus of scouts is worth much because while they might give someone a 3rd round grade, they don’t take into account that 10 teams that draft before them have a heavy need at that position. They’re just saying this guy’s worth a 3rd. GM’s have to consider info from the scouts as well as trying to figure out what every other team will do and adjust accordingly. It might take a 3rd round pick to get a guy with a 5th round grade, or you may be able to use a 7th round pick to get a guy that your scouts pegged as a 5th round grade.
It is my opinion (and I would certainly understand if you don’t share it) that the people who aren’t in the draft are actually less biased than the people who are involved in the draft because, without “needs” of their own, they are inherently more objective. In other words, I believe it is more likely a GM who is in need of a QB might rate a QB higher than an analyst who has no need for a QB in order to justify their decision to take a QB. With the benefit of hindsight, we see this all the time. Did anyone really think that Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker were better prospects than J.J. Watt? Two GMs did, and they were dead wrong. Did anyone really think E.J. Manuel was a better prospect than Desmond Trufant, Xavier Rhodes or Deandre Hopkins? One GM did, and he was dead wrong. Did anyone think Blake Bortles was a better prospect than Khalil Mack, Odell Beckham Jr. or Aaron Donald? One GM did, and he was dead wrong too. Notice a pattern? It’s easy to reach on positions of need and try to justify later. Pundits don’t have to justify their picks, GMs do. Even when they’re wrong. So while you may feel that the “better” consensus is those inside the draft, I hope you’ll at least consider that those outside the draft might actually be systematically more objective (even if they are a little less out of the know, so to speak).
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Bill Belichick picked Brissett over Prescott so while your argument is sound, it doesn’t hold weight.
The guys outside like Kiper are absolutely positively no smarter or better than you or I at evaluation of players. None. The GMs have far more data that’s depends on scouts who’ve watched players since they were freshman.
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Good point Ice. I had to think a little bit about DS’s last post, and I guess it just comes down to how you define reach.
Exactly.
If you define it as taking a player too soon based on their projected selection, then you get what DS is saying. I get that, it makes for a good way of evaluating picks because he have concrete numbers to work with. I just don’t care for it, because of what I’ve just said.
I can respect that.
I prefer to define a reach as taking a player earlier than their talent merits. that makes it a little more subjective, but the draft projections are subjective to begin with. Usually there is a reason for the reach not related to football. For example, We reached for Manziel because of his fame and name, we reached for Weeden because the GM (don’t even remember who it was at the time, Banner? Idk.) and coach were trying to save their asses by having a rookie QB excuse. Goes on and on. Conversely, I don’t consider guys like Travis Frederick and Bruce Irvin reaches, even though they were drafted earlier than many said they needed to be.
And I think the players you pointed out do an excellent job of proving your point. However, there is an inherent danger with confirmation bias (and it’s for all of us, not just you) in that you will look for (and find) examples that support your argument while dismissing or giving less credence to examples where the evidence doesn’t support our position.
To be clear, my position on Kessler is merely an assertion. It can neither be proved or disproved. I assert that if we wouldn’t have taken Kessler at pick #93, the next probable landing would have been Oakland, who drafted Connor Cook. Cook had a second round grade, came from a pro style college offense, was 6’4″ tall and had 9 3/4″ hands. It is my assertion that, based on the factors outlined previously, Oakland would have taken Cook over Kessler. The QBs taken after Cook? Dak Prescott by the Cowboys, followed by Cardale Jones by the Bills. While it is impossible to know for sure, based on the physical attributes of those players, I don’t think either of them would have chosen Kessler over the players they eventually took.
Coming out of college, many analysts felt Cody was already at or near his ceiling. Based on his performance, I think it’s hard to argue the fact that his accuracy and ability to lead an offense were exactly as advertised. The knocks against Kessler were the things that weren’t going to change; merely adequate arm strength, 6’1″ tall, low risk low reward approach to playing. Follow that link and see if the good and bad aren’t exactly what we saw out of him. Because the scouting report was so accurate (and you would expect it to be, he was a senior who was a 3 year starter), the draft projection of being a 5th round prospect likely was as well.
Kessler was a reach not because of what we didn’t know, but because of what we did know. He has game managing career back up written all over him. For my money I want starting potential in the third round. I can live with him being short (like Russell Wilson) if he has a rocket arm and can throw on the move. Kessler can’t. I can see falling in love with a big arm or imposing physical frame, hoping you can “coach up” a gifted player. That’s not Kessler. He’s smargt, he’s accurate, he’s efficient, but physically, there is very little room for improvement. When Pro Bowlers like (2010) Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham, (2011) Justin Houston, DeMarco Murray, Jurrell Casey, (2012) Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, T.Y. Hilton, (2013) Travis Kelce, Tyrann Mathieu, Jordan Reed, (2014) Trai Turner, (2015) Tyler Lockett and David Johnson could still be on the board, I think it is an absolute reach to settle for a career back up that ends up being exactly as advertised.
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Bill Belichick picked Brissett over Prescott so while your argument is sound, it doesn’t hold weight.
We don’t know what Jacoby Brissett is yet. He’s good enough for Belichick to let Garoppolo walk. We don’t know why, but you can’t judge until you have a body of work.
The guys outside like Kiper are absolutely positively no smarter or better than you or I at evaluation of players. None. The GMs have far more data that’s depends on scouts who’ve watched players since they were freshman.
If we’re arguing intelligence, I’m not inclined to argue. However, I would suggest that they are better connected and have access to players, scouts and GMs who will agree to speak anonymously (and at times even on the record) on individual player performance evaluations. I would go so far as to suggest that some GMs will even reach out to analysts (we know Belichick did with Lombardi, regardless of how we felt about him) for additional information or an outside point of view (which I discussed ad nauseam in a previous post).
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0It doesn’t matter what he is. You said Prescott was rated higher so by your logic Brissett was a reach because Prescott was rated 3rd round.
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It doesn’t matter what he is. You said Prescott was rated higher so by your logic Brissett was a reach because Prescott was rated 3rd round.
Actually, Jacoby Brissett was rated as a 3-4 round pick and Belichick took him with pick 91 of 98 in the 3rd round of the 2016 NFL draft, so Belichick didn’t reach at all, he took him where he was projected.
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https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0It doesn’t matter what he is. You said Prescott was rated higher so by your logic Brissett was a reach because Prescott was rated 3rd round.
Actually, Jacoby Brissett was rated as a 3-4 round pick and Belichick took him with pick 91 of 98 in the 3rd round of the 2016 NFL draft, so Belichick didn’t reach at all, he took him where he was projected.Brissetts grade was a 5.5, Kessler a 5.4, Prescott a 5.4
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-name-input:b
1/10th of a point isn’t a mark to drop that many rounds behind Brissett. It is an absolute guarantee that the sole reason of Kessler’s “drop” behind a guy like Brissett and Prescott (according to round rankings) is is height – all size – the same exact reason Wentz went #2 overall.
Remeber when I stated GM’s use more data than analysts do? Kessler was just behind (or just better, can’t recall) than Mariotta the year Mariotta came out. Kessler’s downfall was 3 different coaches at OC’s in 3 years.
Looking at QB rating (and removing the 2 guys who threw 1 total pass) Kessler was #2 behind Prescott for all rookies. To say he was a reach in round 3 is absurd.
Kessler also had 4 passes of 40+ yards in 8 games (compared to rifle arm Wentz 6 in 16 games).
7.1 YPA to Wentz 6.2 YPA
65% completion to 62%
Point being – we were right – the TV jockies were 100% wrong. He wasn’t a reach.
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